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PostSubject: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:12 pm

It is my personal oppinion that all "spin-offs" are canon, (of course, if they were canon they wouldn't be named spin-offs), I mean, re survivor was, in my psx days when I was 14, my concept of a "RE4", the chronicles games are canon, obviously, EXCEPT for the exclusion of Barry as a survivor of RE1 unless capcom killed him in their new chronicles canon cause he doesn´t appear on the RE3 helicopter either. In wesker's report is stated that Barry survived, but it is also stated that wesker got a hold on Sherry and Dark Side chronicles had a different opinion, so Wesker report isn't canon anymore according to capcom.
The outbreak games (which I hate, being a Ps2 supporter I couldn't believe this is what I got instead of RE0 and remake) don't have a reason to not be considered non-canon either. The survivor 2 narrates the code veronica stages which are canon.
Dead aim is the one that confuses me, but it was just a bloody ship, so who give a f***, and re gaiden should be erased from the re library......it was awful
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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:38 pm

Hey! No dissing on the Gaiden! And Dead Aim was one of the best RE games.

As for Barry, he's still officially alive. Has been since the first.

Outbreaks had some details that would render them non-canon, but the timeline is a bit blurry sometimes so I too consider them to be at least somewhat canon. Confidential Report is also one of those games which is not directly linked to any of the other games.

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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:01 pm

All numbered games are canon, including CVX. The Chronicles games take precedence over any other game's canon, and by that I mean that all parts of the numbered games shown in the Chronicles games are canon as told through the Chronicles. Does that make sense? After that, only games that Capcom officially announce as canon are canon. The CG movies are also canon.

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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:26 pm

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After that, only games that Capcom officially announce as canon are canon.

That is true. Survivor actually is the only spin-off to be officially canon (as of yet).

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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:52 am

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The Chronicles games take precedence over any other game's canon.


If so, what happened to Barry?, he was wiped out of Umbrella Chronicles.


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Hey! No dissing on the Gaiden! And Dead Aim was one of the best RE games.

As for Barry, he's still officially alive. Has been since the first.

Outbreaks had some details that would render them non-canon, but the timeline is a bit blurry sometimes so I too consider them to be at least somewhat canon. Confidential Report is also one of those games which is not directly linked to any of the other games.


The Outbreaks details that I can think of as non-canon are those where the characters go through places of RE2 and 3, somehow "intervening"in the story, but apart from that there isn't any other reason those games couldn't be canon.
the mobile games, in my opinion, shouldn't be considered spin-offs, they are extras mini-games like the mercenaries on RE4, and that sort of stuff.
As for Gaiden... according to some information prior to RE4, Leon joined with a anti-Umbrella organization, but Darkside Chronicles rejects that fact, stating Leon joined directly from RPD to the goverment agency, so the Gaiden events are now non-canon according to Capcom, in addition that the other character in Gaiden, Barry, is "missing" from the chronicles.
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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:22 am

On some other thread Nite said this better but Barry not being in the Chronicles may be because it would've somehow messed with the railshooter thingy idk. Capcom is never consistent so I wouldn't worry over such matter. Barry is alive unless this is officially proven false. Capcom has just "retired" the character. The Chronicles just round some stuff.

Well, the intervening would be a big reason to drop them off from canon. Still, I too consider them canon. Something like the cameo of Nicholai could've happened. My point in saying they're "somewhat" canon is that some scenarios are true for only a given number of characters while canonically the others never where there.

Why wouldn't the mobile games be considered spin-offs? Mobile gaming is as high as ever and while others (Missions and its sequels) should be considered just minigames, Confidential Report and i-Survivor give us an actual original storyline while Genesis and Uprising retell the story of 1&2 in mobile format. There's also Degeneration which is the playable version of the movie.

I didn't say Gaiden was canon (of course it isn't, have you seen the ending?) but it was a great game. Besides, I have my theory of its ties with Revelations.

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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:56 pm

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On some other thread Nite said this better but Barry not being in the Chronicles may be because it would've somehow messed with the railshooter thingy idk. Capcom is never consistent so I wouldn't worry over such matter. Barry is alive unless this is officially proven false. Capcom has just "retired" the character. The Chronicles just round some stuff.


Rebecca didn't mess the railshooter, so why should Barry?..., i really think we'll never see him again (personal opinion)


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Why wouldn't the mobile games be considered spin-offs? Mobile gaming is as high as ever and while others (Missions and its sequels) should be considered just minigames, Confidential Report and i-Survivor give us an actual original storyline while Genesis and Uprising retell the story of 1&2 in mobile format. There's also Degeneration which is the playable version of the movie.


You're right now that you say it, Confidential and i-Survivor are spin-offs, I forgot that Confidential had a storyline (never played i-Survivor)


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I didn't say Gaiden was canon (of course it isn't, have you seen the ending?) but it was a great game. Besides, I have my theory of its ties with Revelations.


haha, how could I forgot the green blooded Leon??? (I assume this is the ending you are talking about)....................................but maybe...just maybe, the Leon that was in the ship wasn't Leon at all, now that Darkside Chronicles stated that Leon never was in a Anti-Umbrella organization, maybe the one that Barry met there wasn't Leon.....(only joking...I'm sarting to hate Capcom)

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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:06 pm

Dunno, Capcom never seemed to care much for Barry. We've only seen him as a playable character in RE5 mercs and some story in the official comics since his last major game appearance (RE3) which still was nothing more than a cameo.

I haven't played i-Survivor either (sadly) but I'm not going to buy some iWhatever to play it. It's supposedly a continuation of CR.

And yes, that's the ending I was talking about Very Happy The game had no other endings but anyway. Well, if my theory proves wrong we'll propably never hear anything about Gaiden again.

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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:26 pm

In the RE canon, Barry is alive. The survivors of the mansion incident are as follows: Chris, Jill, Rebecca, Barry, and Brad. And Wesker of course. As for the Chronicles...Whenever the numbered games conflict with the Chronicles, the Chronicles have priority. Not everything from each scenario was shown in the Chronicles though. It was quite crammed together and yes, they left Barry out. Probably for time constraint reasons. Now that I think about it, the Chronicles may not take precedence. I don't know. It's just a big mix.

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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:08 am

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In the RE canon, Barry is alive. The survivors of the mansion incident are as follows: Chris, Jill, Rebecca, Barry, and Brad. And Wesker of course. As for the Chronicles...Whenever the numbered games conflict with the Chronicles, the Chronicles have priority. Not everything from each scenario was shown in the Chronicles though. It was quite crammed together and yes, they left Barry out. Probably for time constraint reasons. Now that I think about it, the Chronicles may not take precedence. I don't know. It's just a big mix.


yeah, Chronicles are messing up the storyline, Barry should be alive, yeah the numbered games shouldbe the canon,otherwise they have no purpose at all
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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:56 am

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In the RE canon, Barry is alive. The survivors of the mansion incident are as follows: Chris, Jill, Rebecca, Barry, and Brad. And Wesker of course. As for the Chronicles...Whenever the numbered games conflict with the Chronicles, the Chronicles have priority. Not everything from each scenario was shown in the Chronicles though. It was quite crammed together and yes, they left Barry out. Probably for time constraint reasons. Now that I think about it, the Chronicles may not take precedence. I don't know. It's just a big mix.


...This is Capcom we're talking about. And Resident Evil. Inconsistency is all part of the mix. For example, Claire A-Leon B where Sherry's infected, the G-adult body coming from Irons, and Ada being thrown into the generator is canon as of Darkside Chronicles; but events like Claire fighting William's first form, which is confirmed in Degeneration, and Leon meeting Kendo and Marvin, as of Darkside Chronicles, are Leon A-Claire B, yet are canon. Which is it? *throws hands up into the air* I have no clue.
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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:56 am

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...This is Capcom we're talking about. And Resident Evil. Inconsistency is all part of the mix. For example, Claire A-Leon B where Sherry's infected, the G-adult body coming from Irons, and Ada being thrown into the generator is canon as of Darkside Chronicles; but events like Claire fighting William's first form, which is confirmed in Degeneration, and Leon meeting Kendo and Marvin, as of Darkside Chronicles, are Leon A-Claire B, yet are canon. Which is it? *throws hands up into the air* I have no clue.


RE2 canon is really a mistery and I was victim of that crime, being a teen and playing the good old psx I played RE2 as the label on the CD stated, because I was trying to enjoy the story as it was meant to be enjoyed, last year played Darkside Chronicles and found out that CD2 first (Claire A, Leon B) and CD1 second is the right way to play it......................................I played it again a few months ago as CLaire A Leon b, it was a lot better in terms of plot, but I really hated Capcom for that
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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:31 pm

One thing: could you clarify which games are in your canon. A clear list or something. This just out of interest.

This is how the timeline would look with every game in it: http://www.residentevilforums.net/t1788-resident-evil-chronology-timeline#23316
That also shows how I see the canon.

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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:23 pm

Well certain things in the Chronicles are canon. Like the fact that Chris and Jill both explored the mansion instead of one of them being trapped in the lab the whole time by Wesker.

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PostSubject: Re: My opinion on which games are included in Capcom's "new" canon   Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:19 pm

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One thing: could you clarify which games are in your canon. A clear list or something. This just out of interest.

This is how the timeline would look with every game in it: http://www.residentevilforums.net/t1788-resident-evil-chronology-timeline#23316
That also shows how I see the canon.


Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil 1 (both Chris' and Jill's games, assuming Barry is alive)
Starts Resident Evil Outbreak (Files 1 and 2)
Resident Evil 3 (first part)
4d Executer
Resident Evil 2 (Claire A and Leon B)
Resident Evil 3 (second part)
Finishes Resident Evil Outbreak (Files 1 and 2)
Resident Evil Survivor
Resident Evil Code Veronica (along with Survivor 2)
Resident Evil Dead Aim
Operation Javier (is 2002 actually)
Russian Facility
Resident Evil 4 (with Separate Ways)
Lost in Nightmares
Degeneration
Resident Evil 5 (with Desperate Escape)

PS: haven't played all the way of Confidential Report, so I couldn't say exactly where it goes. As for Wesker's Report, it has some differences with Darkside Chronicles (Ada falling from the bridge, and Sherry being under Wesker's custody) so I don't consider it canon anymore
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