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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 2:14 pm

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Viruses aren't dead. I'm talking about real life here. If a virus infects a host, and that host dies, the virus dies. There has to be some kind of nourishment for a virus to stay alive. If the host is already dead, then how is the virus staying alive? Zombies probably need to feed. Feeding is more than likely a necessity.


You seems to not understand something....you know,theres such things that move and act like their alive but they arnt,like the viruses,their not dead but not alive,its like a rock(for example)...

but like Im trying for now 3posts to explain that to you....im talkin about the real life too,you know,not everything lives like us,and the viruses are part of this kind.

and about the virus die if the body die,its TOTALLY wrong,as the virus isnt really alive,it cannot die...
why do you think people burn the dead bodies of animals who died from a virus?seriously dude,even if the host die,the virus still active in his corp.
Thats like what happen actually with the H1N1(called the swine influenza),why do you think egyptians are burning their pigs instead of just killing them and then,bury them?because a virus still active until its destroyed,a virus is not a living thing,damn it!
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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 3:37 pm

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Viruses aren't dead. I'm talking about real life here. If a virus infects a host, and that host dies, the virus dies. There has to be some kind of nourishment for a virus to stay alive. If the host is already dead, then how is the virus staying alive? Zombies probably need to feed. Feeding is more than likely a necessity.


You seems to not understand something....you know,theres such things that move and act like their alive but they arnt,like the viruses,their not dead but not alive,its like a rock(for example)...

but like Im trying for now 3posts to explain that to you....im talkin about the real life too,you know,not everything lives like us,and the viruses are part of this kind.

and about the virus die if the body die,its TOTALLY wrong,as the virus isnt really alive,it cannot die...
why do you think people burn the dead bodies of animals who died from a virus?seriously dude,even if the host die,the virus still active in his corp.
Thats like what happen actually with the H1N1(called the swine influenza),why do you think egyptians are burning their pigs instead of just killing them and then,bury them?because a virus still active until its destroyed,a virus is not a living thing,damn it!


You all dont get it do you?

Viruses are pretty much alive... Both viruses and some microorganisms have 1 important surviving tool... If they find themselves in dangerous area they will go to latent phase... In this phase they can survive for years... But again they can die... But it will take much longer...
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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 4:19 pm

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Viruses aren't dead. I'm talking about real life here. If a virus infects a host, and that host dies, the virus dies. There has to be some kind of nourishment for a virus to stay alive. If the host is already dead, then how is the virus staying alive? Zombies probably need to feed. Feeding is more than likely a necessity.


You seems to not understand something....you know,theres such things that move and act like their alive but they arnt,like the viruses,their not dead but not alive,its like a rock(for example)...

but like Im trying for now 3posts to explain that to you....im talkin about the real life too,you know,not everything lives like us,and the viruses are part of this kind.

and about the virus die if the body die,its TOTALLY wrong,as the virus isnt really alive,it cannot die...
why do you think people burn the dead bodies of animals who died from a virus?seriously dude,even if the host die,the virus still active in his corp.
Thats like what happen actually with the H1N1(called the swine influenza),why do you think egyptians are burning their pigs instead of just killing them and then,bury them?because a virus still active until its destroyed,a virus is not a living thing,damn it!


Can a rock reproduce? Can a rock move? (Actually...some do lol.) But can a rock react to an outside force of its own accord? Viruses can. I was wrong in that viruses are 100% classified as alive but they pretty much are. And how am I wrong about a virus dying if the body dies? Say a body gets a virus. Then the body dies. After the body decomposes where is the virus? On the skeleton? No. Viruses need living cells to reproduce and maintain their own "life". Sure a virus will still be around a freshly dead host, but after some time, the virus will die too. That's why people are burning the dead pigs, to get rid of the virus quicker.

Here, I got this from Wikipedia. I know that isn't the best site for facts, but all of these are correct. I know because I took a biology course last summer. I've already used the last 2 of these components in my argument for why viruses are alive.

Conventional definition: The consensus is that life is a characteristic of organisms that exhibit all or most of the following phenomena:

1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.

2. Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.

3. Metabolism: Consumption of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.

4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of synthesis than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter. The particular species begins to multiply and expand as the evolution continues to flourish.

5. Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present.

6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of higher animals. A response is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototropism) and chemotaxis.

7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms. Reproduction can be the division of one cell to form two new cells. Usually the term is applied to the production of a new individual (either asexually, from a single parent organism, or sexually, from at least two differing parent organisms), although strictly speaking it also describes the production of new cells in the process of growth.

As you can see by #3, the T-Virus hosts (zombies) would probably die for good after a short while because there is nothing for the virus to metabolize. That right there is all I have been trying to say this whole time.

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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 4:38 pm

Like I said... If you bury dead animal the virus can prevail there for 10 years or more... All depends on virus type and strength
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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 4:49 pm

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Conventional definition: The consensus is that life is a characteristic of organisms that exhibit all or most of the following phenomena:

1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.

2. Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.

3. Metabolism: Consumption of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.

4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of synthesis than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter. The particular species begins to multiply and expand as the evolution continues to flourish.

5. Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present.

6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of higher animals. A response is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototropism) and chemotaxis.

7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms. Reproduction can be the division of one cell to form two new cells. Usually the term is applied to the production of a new individual (either asexually, from a single parent organism, or sexually, from at least two differing parent organisms), although strictly speaking it also describes the production of new cells in the process of growth.

As you can see by #3, the T-Virus hosts (zombies) would probably die for good after a short while because there is nothing for the virus to metabolize. That right there is all I have been trying to say this whole time.

You know a lot. No wonder you hate Anderson's films so much! lol! Completely unrealistic.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 4:53 pm

lol well I only knew a couple of them off the top of my head. I'm fine with unrealistic stuff though usually, but when it's just blantanly stupid wrong, then I get ticked. Like if a movie is trying to be super realistic and then pulls out telekinesis....ticked! lol

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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 6:15 pm

Your right about the points that would make it a kind of "alive" thing,
but theres some points too that make the virus a "not alive" thing...

1.Viruses have constituents in common with living cells, such as a nucleic acid (DNA or RNA) and proteins. However, according to the definition of biochemist Wendell Stanley, viruses are "simple" associations of biological molecules. They are the result of self-organization of organic molecules and are therefore not alive.

2.François Jacob also emphasizes this feature of virus: "placed in suspension in a culture medium, they can not metabolize or produce or use energy, or grow, or multiply, functions common to all living beings"

3.Viruses can only multiply by using the enzymatic equipment of a living cell. In addition, many viruses contain nucleic acid, DNA or RNA but never both,unlike the living cells.


So,even if some newly discovered virus might change that ,the virus still not alive as we are...

A virus is just a biologic entity,their not dead,but their not alive too,
not like you mean it.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 6:36 pm

Indeed you are correct. We both agree that viruses aren't alive, yet still not dead. But they still need energy. So how does the T-Virus keep itself going in a zombie? If it eats the zombie from inside out, then the host won't last long. There has to be some other way that the zombies get energy to the virus. Like Francois says, if the virus is in suspended animation, they don't multiply, grow, or use energy. This also means that they can't actively infect a host while dormant. So, obviously the T-Virus is always active in a host, and never dormant. I assume that if zombies don't feed they, along with the virus, die.

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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 9:18 pm

Yeah I agree too.

It means the zombies,instead of just having the main brain functions(aka the main survival functions)means eating...walking and a bit of reflection(moving=alive=food),so instead of just having these main functions,they also need them to survive.

But where its different,its that the virus doesnt necessary "die" when the host die,because I guess if you touch the open wound of a dead(really dead)zombie with one of your open wound,you have great chances to get infected.

But well it doesnt mean the virus will stay forever in him,it will also "die" (or get another host) but it might take more time.

So,finally we both have good points.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 9:48 pm

Yeah, it won't stay in a "dead" host forever. It seems like a self destructive virus to me. Maybe I should email Capcom and see if they actually answer me lol.

They'd probably say: "We here at Capcom Studios appreciate your questions, opinions, and concerns. You recently asked us 'Hey d00ds, me and some other d00ds over at reforums.net were kinda wondering how in the crap the T-Virus keeps itself going? Like...do teh zombiez have to like...feed and stuff? kthxbai!' After doing a bit of research using Wikipedia, we have come to the conclusion that you all need a life. K. Thx. Bai."

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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Thu May 07, 2009 10:46 pm

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That's all fine and dandy for the game world. But in real life, viruses are living organisms. Viruses don't just multiply forever. They need nourishment too. So yes, viruses have to feed on something to keep living.


Sure its all fine because all I said about the viruses are based on real life.... Laughing

(but scientists arnt sure if the viruses are alive or not,but anyway,they dont need to "EAT" to survive,not like us)


you know,a virus isnt like a little pet you need to feed Neutral


Viruses aren't dead. I'm talking about real life here. If a virus infects a host, and that host dies, the virus dies. There has to be some kind of nourishment for a virus to stay alive. If the host is already dead, then how is the virus staying alive? Zombies probably need to feed. Feeding is more than likely a necessity.


Yes, exactly, I was about to respond to PE with pretty much what you said, but you summed it all up for me.Smile

We are not saying the virus' stomach is growling, it is the host.Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Fri May 08, 2009 6:13 am

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That's all fine and dandy for the game world. But in real life, viruses are living organisms. Viruses don't just multiply forever. They need nourishment too. So yes, viruses have to feed on something to keep living.


Sure its all fine because all I said about the viruses are based on real life.... Laughing

(but scientists arnt sure if the viruses are alive or not,but anyway,they dont need to "EAT" to survive,not like us)


you know,a virus isnt like a little pet you need to feed Neutral


Viruses aren't dead. I'm talking about real life here. If a virus infects a host, and that host dies, the virus dies. There has to be some kind of nourishment for a virus to stay alive. If the host is already dead, then how is the virus staying alive? Zombies probably need to feed. Feeding is more than likely a necessity.


Yes, exactly, I was about to respond to PE with pretty much what you said, but you summed it all up for me.Smile

We are not saying the virus' stomach is growling, it is the host.Smile

The zombies are driven by only the most basic, key instinct: they need food. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Fri May 08, 2009 9:00 am

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Yes, exactly, I was about to respond to PE with pretty much what you said, but you summed it all up for me.Smile

We are not saying the virus' stomach is growling, it is the host.Smile

The zombies are driven by only the most basic, key instinct: they need food. Smile



you're a little late on the subject guys Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Fri May 08, 2009 3:13 pm

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Yes, exactly, I was about to respond to PE with pretty much what you said, but you summed it all up for me.Smile

We are not saying the virus' stomach is growling, it is the host.Smile

The zombies are driven by only the most basic, key instinct: they need food. Smile



you're a little late on the subject guys Neutral

Thanks for the info... Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Ganados VS zombies - Eating competition   Fri May 08, 2009 3:33 pm

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Yes, exactly, I was about to respond to PE with pretty much what you said, but you summed it all up for me.Smile

We are not saying the virus' stomach is growling, it is the host.Smile

The zombies are driven by only the most basic, key instinct: they need food. Smile



you're a little late on the subject guys Neutral


They're never late as long as they have something to add. Smile

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